Best Countries to Live Abroad at 30, 45 & 60

Abhii Dabas0:00And I had a conversation with two very interesting people. One is an Australian entrepreneur who's now moving to Singapore because they just felt they were paying too much in taxes and they were not being able to build the kind of business they were trying to build. I was speaking to this Indian hedge fund manager. He was asking me, you know, how long can I keep doing this? And I was just suggesting a few places where you can really express yourself. And you know, if you manage your expenses well, you can lead a really, really good life as well. So many times you've got to ask yourself, are you playing the wrong game in the wrong playground?

0:31And just changing the playground sometimes just makes all the difference.

Own the World0:36Welcome to Own the World Podcast with Abhii Dabas, powered by INTRIC Global.

Cath Quiambao0:54Hi and welcome to Own the World. I'm Cath Quiambao and I'm back with Abhii Dabas, founder and CEO of INTRIC Global. Abhii has evaluated properties in 75 countries, and today I'm asking him where he'd live if he had to start again. At 30 with some savings and a career to build, 45 with two kids in a life that feels too expensive, and at 60 with money and time to enjoy it. We'll talk about specific cities, what a month there really cost, and the place he loved visiting but wouldn't move to.

Abhii Dabas1:23Very well, Cath. Thank you for having me.

Cath Quiambao1:25I'm so excited because this is his topic that I'm very interested in. I'm glad that we are talking about the different stages in life, no one considering property investment abroad. Of all the places you've explored, where have you found yourself thinking I could build a really good life here?

Abhii Dabas1:41There are so many places like that. But before I answer that, I must say that when we say I've evaluated properties in 75 countries, it's not evaluated on a spreadsheet. I mean on the ground, speaking to developers, agencies, sellers, buyers. And that's it's been a huge obsession for me for the last uh 25 years. And that's that's how I've actually evaluated. So to answer your question on which place made me feel I can build a life here, there are quite a few places.

Cath Quiambao2:08How about the first one, Abhii? Let's let's start with that.

Abhii Dabas2:12Let's let me give you the most uh controversial one, the place that receives so much flack these days, and nobody would be expecting my response. And I I think the answer is the UK, right? People are UK bashing all the time.

Cath Quiambao2:25I did not expect that.

Abhii Dabas2:27Yeah, no, but nobody would be. But the fact is, from a pure property investment point of view, you have to ask yourself a few questions. You have to ask yourself, where in the cycle are you? How strong the currency is, what are the growth factors, where is the property market likely to go from here? And as Warren Buffett said, when there's blood on the streets, so I don't I don't know if I'll call that blood on the streets, but I think it's uh largely negative right now, the sentiment. So we have to look at the opportunities that present themselves, the valuations are pretty attractive. And of course, let's not forget that it's a 2,000-year-old city, London.

3:01There is so much that it has to offer, and just the country in general, right? Strong currency, some of the world's best universities. In one of our previous episodes, we spoke about how the UK is benefiting from less demand in markets like the US, Australia, and Canada in terms of student population. That is such a big factor. And of course, construction quality, rule of law, English speaking, common law. There are so many reasons. And of course, it's truly multicultural. So purely from a lifestyle point of view, from a personal point of view, not just looking at it as a real estate investor. It's so multicultural. It's probably one of the very few countries of its kind where you feel like this is your home.

3:42And a lot of communities feel like it's their home. In many countries, you could live there and you can spend a few years there, you're working there, there are good places to live, but you don't ever get that feeling that it's your home. And so I think that's what makes the UK very unique. And and I've had that feeling many times in the UK over the years. But there are other places as well. I've felt very much at home sometimes in Mexico City. I think if somebody wants to move somewhere for art and culture, or say Berlin, then that's that's a fabulous place. You can feel that in Thailand if you want just a very expat-friendly place.

4:19And then of course, Dubai and Singapore, depending on what life stage you're at. But the both are incredible places as well.

Cath Quiambao4:26Right. You mentioned a couple of things. Most are like, I would say, let's consider it technical, like what would you earn and how strong is the the money there? Or would you be able to put up a business and things like that? But is there like an emotional connection that you feel when you see a particular country just because you can imagine yourself there? Is it also a consideration when you say something like, I can live in this place?

Abhii Dabas4:53Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Again, so I live in Singapore, and the reason for that is that emotional connection. I think it's one of the most incredible places in the world. Not easy for most people to move to, otherwise, I'm sure the population of Singapore would multiply by 50 overnight. But just the efficiency, the rule of law, the safety, and then of course, racial harmony. I think in this very polarized world, what Singapore offers is incredible. So I think emotional factors are always important and you have to live somewhere, you have to feel like this is where you know I belong. And of course, uh there are some really beautiful places that you like visiting, but then you know, you get frustrated with the bureaucracy, you get frustrated with how inefficient things are, or if you want to build a business, the taxes and you know how difficult it is to hire people.

5:40So I think some of these things are very important. I know I keep coming back to some of the very practical aspects, but the fact is those are the kinds of things that frustrate you. If you go in the summer and you look at a beautiful place, it's it's fabulous for five days. But if you have to live there for five years, then these things can get to you.

Cath Quiambao5:58Right. Okay, that makes sense. This one you've I've heard you say this before. Do you think some people spend years trying to earn more money when changing where they live could give them more of the life they actually want?

Abhii Dabas6:09Absolutely. Almost everyone. You know, so this is a conversation I have with almost everyone. This weekend I had a conversation with two very interesting people. One is an Australian entrepreneur who's now moving to Singapore because they just felt they were paying too much in taxes and they were not being able to build the kind of business they were trying to build. So that's that's an example. I was speaking to this Indian hedge fund manager who is doing very well, but deep down he's an artist. And so he was asking me, how long can I keep doing this? And I was just suggesting a few places. Again, speaking of places like Berlin and London and Mexico City, there are so many places where you can really express yourself as an artist.

6:50And if you manage your expenses well, you can lead a really, really good life as well. So so many times you've got to ask yourself, are you playing the wrong game in the wrong playground? As I always say, just changing the playground sometimes just makes all the difference. And that's something that people fail to realize. And we are so caught up on the hamster wheel, and it's difficult to break that cycle and make big decisions. And I understand it's not easy, but it's not that difficult also.

Cath Quiambao7:18And I think that's also why a lot of British or maybe a lot of Europeans are staying in Bali or Thailand or places here in Southeast Asia because they feel like they would be able to make the most out of their money here. Would you agree?

Abhii Dabas7:33Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And and I think it's a number of factors. So if let's say you're building a business, you can attract good talent. If you taxes can be more efficient as well, cost of living is lower. Just a very welcoming environment when it comes to new ventures. You can always meet a lot of very interesting people. So I think equally there are people from Asia who'd move to Europe for certain reasons as well. So it depends on, you know, where you are. But I think when it comes to cost of living, nothing can beat uh Southeast Asia in terms of the quality that it offers and the prices. Yeah.

Cath Quiambao8:06Great. Okay. On the more practical, let's be realistic side of things. I have a good job. I have a steady income. I'm just in my 30s. I'm ambitious and I have some savings, but I still need to earn a living, of course. Where would you recommend that I go to build my future?

Abhii Dabas8:23Well, again, it's, you know, it's something that has to be decided by the individual. Everyone feels differently about places and what they want from their lives. So I don't want to give a generalized answer. But if you ask me for my opinion, if I were 30 today and if I had to do this again, I would definitely go to the highest growth corridors in the world. So where are the places where you're seeing the highest amount of growth and which present the best potential in the world? So I would probably go to India, I would go to China, I would go to parts of Africa, probably West Africa, and I would go to, of course, California.

8:56Or if you're building a career in finance, then probably New York. Because again, the opportunities are there, you know, the growth is high, you can ride a wave, you know. So for instance, if let's say you want to be an engineer, there is so much space technology work happening in places like India and of course in the US. If you want to be at the forefront of AI and build a really good career in AI, then of course nothing beats China right now, automation, robotics, from a point of view of how you want to grow and how much you want to grow. I think there is a different energy in places like this where, you know, which are growing so rapidly.

9:31And I would definitely go to a high growth uh place which has a lot of potential. Yes, there could be challenges in some places in terms of infrastructure. Some things may not work as smoothly as you would expect, but the kind of growth that you can see or experience could be 100, 200, 500% in terms of your wealth and in terms of your exposure and your career growth as well.

Cath Quiambao9:52So if you were the 30-year-old Abhii and you decided to move to New York, what would you actually do in your first six months there to find opportunities and meet people?

Abhii Dabas10:02Well, firstly, definitely get a co-working space because it's always good to meet people. You'll see a lot of people like yourselves who are trying to build new ventures, who are trying to maybe start a new life. Then, of course, you go for all the international communities, expert communities. You have the likes of internations and meetups, and you definitely go and meet people, sign up for some classes, always helpful. And I think that's where you start meeting people, you exchange some ideas. It, you know, what you would probably learn in two years. If you meet the right people, you would probably learn the same things in two months. So you will save yourselves a year and ten months and you know, learn from their mistakes.

10:40So simple things. And of course, you know, I I like to walk around. I think when you walk around a place, you understand, explore neighborhoods. So for instance, whichever city I go to or whichever city I live in, every weekend I go and devote my entire afternoon to a new neighborhood because you understand how people live, you understand where the opportunities are, you see how, you know, what are the gaps in a certain market. So you can build things to address those gaps. And of course, and of course, you can also see where the you know opportunities to grow your capital in terms of investments are as well.

Cath Quiambao11:13Now, if we have a listener who's 45, um, they may or may have a partner, they earn well, but between work, housing, and everything else, it feels like life is expensive and exhausting. So now they're considering to make the move, but they have two school age children. Of course, you have lots to consider. Where or where would you suggest they go?

Abhii Dabas11:34Again, I must start off by saying it depends on who they are and what they really enjoy in their life. So there's no right or wrong answer here. But I think one thing I would definitely say here is I would rather go to a wealth hub. So I would go to a mega city. Uh so for instance, something like Singapore, Dubai, London, New York, California. The reason for that is you want the infrastructure, you want the best exposure for your kids. You want them to, like, for instance, I know people whose kids go to some of the most wonderful schools and they have classmates from 81 different countries. So that's that kind of exposure is difficult to replicate in other places.

12:12And of course, if you're doing very well and if taxes are a concern, then of course, countries like the UAE, Singapore, Hong Kong definitely are very, very helpful in terms of, and of course, if you have kids, then you want safety more than anything else. So you don't want to be in a place where you don't feel safe or you're worried for your kids' safety. So I think these would be the kinds of places. But again, depends. If you are, you know, drawn towards art and culture, the answer would be very different.

Cath Quiambao12:39How about for when you are thinking about retiring? This is something I always want to think of, something to look forward to. Not that I'm 60, but if we have a 60-year-old listener, of course, they've built a good life, they're comfortable, they have money in the bank, finally some freedom over their time. Where would you recommend them to wake up on an ordinary Tuesday?

Abhii Dabas13:01I mean, if you're fortunate enough that you have enough money saved up, but then I think there are so many wonderful options. And then that's the time for you to feed your soul. And so you would go to places, you know, that really appeal to you. And that that answer could be very different for people from different parts of the world. So for instance, if you're in the US, you'd probably you could go to a place like Montana. You can go to, of course, a lot of people I know, they end up spending more time in Aspen or in Maine, or uh, if you're in the UK, you move to the country, you spend more time there.

13:34There's beautiful countryside. And of course, if you want the globally popular destinations in terms of which have a bit of everything, then of course the most popular ones are Thailand. You will have a very multicultural life even in retirement. You will never feel that old because you're always seeing new people come in and you're trying to navigate things. So it's not always straightforward. The Philippines, very, very retirement friendly. They have a very good retirement visa as well. Actually, a permanent residence, not many people talk about it or know about it. So that's something worth uh exploring. There is, of course, if you really want to bring your cost of living down, then you have places like uh Cambodia or you even have Paraguay.

14:17So that's something that you can look at. So there are a lot of interesting destinations. A lot of people from the US would end up moving to Mexico. So Cabo is a popular destination and different parts of Mexico as well. So it completely depends on who you are, what you're drawn to. Costa Rica is a popular one as well. So the retirement has probably the best options. Now, the only thing I would say is if you have a lot of wealth and you are worried about taxes and taxes on your worldwide income, then of course you have to look at destinations like Italy and Switzerland, which have the lump sum taxation program, or you'll have to look at some structures to, you know, make your tax planning more efficient.

14:56So a lot of things. Obviously, none of this is tax advice, but what I observe, you know, a lot of investors around the world and people that I know are currently doing. Milan is a popular destination for retirement as well. It's becoming quite popular.

Cath Quiambao15:11Great. From everything that you've just shared, it shows that even if you're a young person, just starting out all the way to you have established your life, the option to move is there. It doesn't have to be like only when you're at the retirement age, is what you're saying. So I want to be more granular this time. Now, if I have a cousin, they're a couple, young couple with about five thousand dollars on what to spend, what kind of everyday life could they realistically have in which country and what would be the best country to make their budget work?

Abhii Dabas15:44I think the first one that comes to mind is Malaysia, because Malaysia has a really good program as well. MM2H become a bit more difficult over the years, but you get a lot more for your money. So Thailand has become a bit more expensive over the years. And so if you want, say, proximity to Singapore, you want a really good international airport, you got you want good quality education, safety, low taxes, you can buy land in Malaysia. We're one of the very few Asian countries that allows you to do that. So I think Malaysia would be the first thing that comes to mind when you know when it comes to say an income of $5,000 for a family.

16:21The other one that you can uh look at is Georgia, probably. And again, you can get a beautiful suburban apartment, reasonably good schooling, and you know, it's it's reasonably well connected and there's nature, and you will never feel that you know you don't have enough money. So I think the cost of living makes these two destinations quite compelling.

Cath Quiambao16:42About the less obvious city or neighborhood you wish more people would explore.

Abhii Dabas16:46Yeah, again, I would say Tbilisi, Georgia is a place that I don't see enough people talk about. I think it's uh it's a bit of a hidden gem. I mean, and not that hidden because the property prices have doubled in the last five to six years. So the smart capital already went there, but it's still growing pretty rapidly and it's business friendly, they have good residence options, and and that's one place that I don't see enough people talk about. I would say the other one is the Philippines, because obviously Thailand gets a lot of credit. Vietnam and the Philippines are two countries which I think are quite interesting. Vietnam, more if you are an entrepreneur and you want a low cost of living, you want some good talent, then that's an interesting place.

17:28And I think they are constantly trying to improve their residency programs. And and of course, the Philippines, you know, of course, some of the best talent in the world and good cost of living and really friendly people as well.

Cath Quiambao17:42Okay, let's take Georgia for an example. What do you notice on the ground that someone researching it online might miss? So I've seen the pictures that you've shared. It's really a lovely place. I haven't even heard of Georgia, the country, before I met you. So uh I guess there's that you hear about example, Portugal, Portugal, Portugal. Even without going there, you know it's a good place to move to. But with things like Georgia and more of the less popular destinations, what is important to look into when you're there on the ground that you won't wouldn't really see when you're just researching online?

Abhii Dabas18:18Yeah, I think firstly, again, since we talk so much about real estate, I think it's a very hyper-local product, real estate. So you have to look at uh, you know, the sense of community and what what the energy is on the ground. So I think the first thing that I would say about Georgia is the energy. So how young or how vibrant a place is. You go to places you feel like is the best yet to come. And that's a sense that you get in some places and some places you don't. You feel like they are in perpetual decline. And so I always like the energy of places like that. Having spoken about Portugal, I must say there are so many places in Portugal that you still get that energy as well.

18:52So I think Portugal is a phenomenal destination as well. Great lifestyle, really high quality of life. And of course, Lisbon can get expensive. So if somebody again is just, you know, following the headlines and they see that, you know, Portugal's become too expensive, it's a country with a lot to offer. So, you know, I was just speaking to our friends in Portugal and I was asking them, again, I'm always asking where where do you get the best capital growth and where where are the best opportunities? And they mentioned Porto still has a lot to offer, Algarve has a lot to offer. So the fact is there are there are so many different markets. But again, you have to be there, you have to understand, as I say, uh walk around the neighborhoods, just see can you visualize yourself living there?

19:37Is there a cafe that you can go to every morning? Can you go for a run? Do you enjoy the weather? Are there any climate worries that you need to take into account? There are so many things. So I think uh what you actually feel, you know, just having a coffee with a stranger and exchanging uh life experiences can be invaluable. That's something that, say, an online analysis will not tell you, or a YouTube video will not tell you.

Cath Quiambao20:02Which place did you love visiting, but the side you probably wouldn't want to live in?

Abhii Dabas20:07Most of the places that I've been to. Because again, I think uh where you live is is is a combination of so many factors, right? So for instance, I also try to spend a fair amount of time around the world every year. So you don't have to uh plant roots everywhere, you know, but you can experience a place for a month, you can experience a place for two months. So, for instance, for me, what's really important again is efficiency. I like, you know, positive government policy. I don't like a lot of, you know, polarization, and I just don't like to get into debates about, you know, what your political beliefs are. I feel there's so much to do in in this life that that's such a waste of energy sometimes.

20:48So I really uh do end up not enjoying myself in places where there is just which are very politically charged. So for instance, I always tell people the reason I love being in Singapore is the fact that even if you're watching the news, it's so positive, it's so constructive, it's about making your life better, it's about how can you invest, how can you focus on your health, what are some of the new interesting cultural events happening. So everything's really positive. And and the other thing that I absolutely love because I juggle so many things in my life, is the fact that, you know, if let's say after we stop recording this episode, if I have to go to the bank, if I have to go have a meeting, if I have to go do if I have to run some chores, I will be back within an hour.

21:35That level of efficiency is just impossible to find. So I must say there are there are places that I absolutely love, the food, the culture, but then either it's the bureaucracy or just you know how far they are from the places that you need to be, or connectivity is sometimes a bit of a concern as well. And and of course, you know, moving businesses, so it has to be a business friendly jurisdiction, ease of business being lower is always. Is a uh discouraging factor for somebody like me. So yeah.

Cath Quiambao22:04You've mentioned Singapore, and I think most people would know at the top of their mind that Singapore is the best for safety, efficiency, and everything that you mentioned. What would change your mind? Or like, is there a particular country that you're sure that if I'm moving away from Singapore, I'm gonna migrate to this place?

Abhii Dabas22:24So I think of course Singapore, the one thing it's difficult to find is nature within the country. So of course, we always think of Singapore as the gateway to the region. So there are so many beautiful places, one, two, three hour flights away, and that's how we spend our time, whether it's Vietnam or the Philippines or Thailand or Malaysia or Indonesia. And so you never feel you never feel that you don't have access to nature. But if you really want to wake up every morning and if you want to go for a run or if you want to just have coffee overlooking the mountains or something, and maybe a few degrees cooler, then that is something that I won't uh mind the exploring.

23:02And of course, I do enjoy wine regions a lot. So for instance, whether it's Australia or New Zealand or South Africa or or Argentina, those those are places that I'm naturally drawn to. Yeah.

Cath Quiambao23:14Well, with all the options out there, have you ever felt that having more places to go, countries to visit, countries to consider, does it also mean that it's harder to feel settled or to make that decision?

Abhii Dabas23:27Depends on how you look at life. So for somebody like me, I feel that the world is your oyster and you can just do anything anywhere. Now it depends on the kind of work that you do. So let's say if you work in a hospital or if you work in a school, it's difficult for you to say I spend five months every year in different countries. That's that's not practical. But I have never felt unsettled. I always am working. I work 365 days a year, but I always say I can work from anywhere. So I'm working in hotel lobbies, I'm working on flights, I'm working in airport lounges, I'm working in taxis, I'm working everywhere.

24:03But I am very grateful that I can do that because not many people are able to do that. I I remember I was taking a train from uh Switzerland to Liechtenstein, and I was working. And every now and then I would look up and I would say, uh, wow, what a beautiful place. How many people are fortunate enough to be working in a setting like this? So it's just the way you look at life, and I I I feel very grateful that I can work from anywhere. I always encourage people to explore as many places as possible. And and if you do that, and if you feel that this is not for me, that's fine as well.

24:39As I say, there's no right or wrong way to live your life. But if you feel like I want to spend my summer here and I want to spend my winter there, and and and I I can work anytime I want, I can manage my own hours. And I think what's happened after COVID is a lot of jobs have started giving that flexibility. So there are more and more people who can run their businesses or their ventures or their jobs remotely, and that just makes it so much more interesting to live your life. Yeah.

Cath Quiambao25:08Imagine someone sends this episode to their partner and says, Could we actually do this? And their partner says, What about our family, our friends, and everything we've built here? What would you say?

Abhii Dabas25:17Well, I think you can build all of that anywhere. Whatever I say about the strength of a currency or bureaucracy and all of those things, I think at the end of the day, the most valuable thing in life is community. So if you feel that you have very strong community where you live, you don't have to go anywhere, right? So so again, I don't want to be misunderstood here to say that everyone must live across different countries. But there are people listening to this and and they can relate to what I'm talking about. And equally there are people, some of my closest friends who were born in a certain neighborhood, and 40, 50, 60 years later, they are still in the same neighborhood and they are very, very happy.

25:55And I think they have fantastic lives. So I think for those who have that strong desire to make it happen, move, invest, create wealth, uh, do better in their careers, build businesses, all of this can happen and it can be quite an adventure. And what's the worst that can happen? If you manage your risks well and they are calculated risks, you can always come back. You would never know if you don't try.

Cath Quiambao26:17Right, right. And I love that question so much because that is actually the things that I'm asking myself. I had a colleague before who's trying to convince me to move to New Zealand because there's so many jobs out there, especially foreign workers, but then I don't have any relatives there. I'm like, can they actually do this? So before committing to moving or to migrating, how would you test a place before committing to it? If you spent a month there, what would you have to deliberately do to find out whether you belong there?

Abhii Dabas26:47I think that's a great question. And I always say try and spend six months or at least two chunks of one to two months at least, and go in both the seasons. So let's say some places are stunning, you know, in summer, but absolutely miserable in the winter. So you have to uh explore that as well. Or some places are very seasonal. So for instance, you go there and you find this great energy, you know, when all the tourists are around and then suddenly it gets really quiet and can be depressing. And equally for some people, they may just find over tourism to be a problem and they would rather go and spend some time during the off-season.

27:24So I think you must spend some time there. And so, I mean, I always talk about the pull factor and the push factor. So if you are not happy with where you are, you know, either government policy or taxes or climate or the way your work is, or maybe as a family you're not really thrilled with what you're doing, or a lot of your friends have moved to other countries. So those are push factors and you should not ignore them. And maybe it's life's way of telling you to do something about it. But there has to be a pull factor. So you don't have to just make a move just for the sake of uh making a move.

28:01So you have to go spend time in a few places. And over the years, if you feel, or maybe it doesn't have to be years, maybe once or twice. Let's say a lot of people that I know are obsessed with Japan. I mean, who isn't? Uh the fact is they don't quite understand what it's like to live in Japan. And and very few people have been able to do it successfully over decades. And I've known people who've been able to do that as well. So it'll be a good idea to speak to them and say, I'm thinking of moving, where should I live? Where would I find my community? And what what kind of life can I expect, and then go spend a a month or two and see how it feels before you sell everything off and move somewhere, lockstog and barrel, and just then realize.

28:44And I know people who've done that as well. I know people who absolutely fantasized about what their life would be in Australia. And and and of course it's an incredible place, Australia, but they realize that they missed their community back home so much. And so they went back to Europe after being there for three or four months, and they had sold their home, sold their cars, moved their kids, and they just never felt at home. So so there are cases like that as well. So yeah.

Cath Quiambao29:10Given who you are today, Abhii, if you were choosing your base from scratch, where would you choose and what would be the deciding factor?

Abhii Dabas29:18I have chosen my base very deliberately. I believe in engineering my life, and I try and help a lot of people engineer the life that they want to live. And I have engineered my life to be in Singapore, and I foresee myself for the at least in the near future to be here. I think it's a great place for business, for family, for connectivity, and for somebody who travels through the year. I couldn't have picked a better place. And again, I'm not saying it's the best place for everyone, but I do feel that it checks a lot of boxes in terms of wealth creation, wealth preservation, the strength of the currency, efficiency, taxes, a lot of things.

29:58You meet some of the most interesting people here, uh, some of the best innovations happening here. So there's never a dull moment. If you like really high-quality products and services, anything that you would find anywhere in the world, you could find it in Singapore, whether it's uh food, wine, culture, art, because Singapore is always on everyone's calendar and any big event, any interesting thing is always happening in Singapore. That's that's what I would say.

Cath Quiambao30:25And finally, if our listener has been thinking about this for a long time but keeps putting this conversation off, what's one useful thing they could do this week to actually move the needle?

Abhii Dabas30:35Well, start exploring a few markets, right? So for instance, ask yourselves, create a grid if you want, if you want to be very systematic about it. Create a grid in terms of what are the things that you really want in your life. For instance, it could be art, it could be culture, it could be community, it could be wealth creation, it could be climate, it could be the quality of food, it could be the kind of house that you want to live in, how big should the house be? So make a list of things that you want and then look at all the uh places that you have in the world that sort of check those boxes and start exploring.

31:05And it's a it's a very exciting journey to find uh those places and eliminate some of those places and then start visiting some of them, listen to uh other people's experiences who actually lived that and then go from there. And uh you can always go to intrigglobal.com and you can start exploring all the different destinations. And sometimes you look at a picture and a video of a house or a or an apartment or anything that you might see overlooking the ocean, and you may say, This is it, this is where I want to be, and then go spend some time there, speak to the experts there, and that could be the start of something really, really exciting.

Cath Quiambao31:42Fascinating episode, and thank you for all the advice, be. Um, if you find value in this episode, make sure to hit that subscribe button and leave a review. I'm Cath Quiambao, and that was A Be the Bus, and I'll see you on the next one.

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